Ask Martin Vol. 13: Rocky IV and the Hammer Throw

Published on 6 May 2011 in Ask Martin  |  5 Comments  | 

Question: As a very stereotypical American hammer guy myself (I did not throw until college, focused on getting strong, threw the weight, etc.) I can tell you that I really wanted to outwork people when I was training. I wanted to grind it out and bleed to be good in a very Rocky IV kind of way. If we can agree that Americans are too obsessed with maximum strength and this is holding our hammer back… is this simply an individual track coach problem, or is it culturally influenced? Is our cultural heritage holding us back in in the hammer, while helping us in the shot put? Are the fine skills of hammer too nuanced for our firepower and bootstrap pulling things we tend to glorify? -Coach Lynden

Every young thrower dreams of training like Rocky.

The influence of culture on track and field and athletics has been a hot topic lately. Just this week, Sports Illustrated’s David Epstein just spoke about his current book project with the House of Run. There is a big reason for the attention: every culture has traits that lead to success in some sports and creates hurdles in others.

After I last wrote about culture, I received an email from an American track coach saying that he had the key to overcoming the cultural disadvantage we have to Jamaicans in the sprints: he has created the Riksha Runner, a new training device that utilizes the “coefficient of restitution.” Before the email, I thought that restitution was just an obscure legal term. But apparently it can help sprinters more than steroids. According to this coach: “I can improve every sprinter’s maximum speed by at least 11% in a couple of weeks! I do that with everybody – no exceptions … Maybe Switzerland would be interested in my services in view of the upcoming world championships and London Olympics.”

Maybe the coach’s product works, but I never replied to the coach since I don’t think he understood my original post. My point was that many countries succeed at different sports since they funnel their top athletes to those sports. His proposal merely tries to correct this cultural hurdle with another cultural hurdle: the allure of the shortcut.

Lynden and I have been talking about various topics recently and when this one came up I immediately thought that strength training is the shortcut of the hammer throw. Weightlifting has been pitched as a shortcut since it first was marketed in the mid 20th century. Fitness gurus, supplements, training tools, infomercials, etc. all promise to unlock quick success. And focusing on weights does produce quick success in the hammer throw. It may even be a benefit for the U.S. in the shot put. But it rarely brings the long term success that athletes and coaches are looking for. Just look at some of the best NCAA throwers and you’ll see that many have already plateaued after their junior years even though they are just 21 years old.

To top it off, it’s a deadly combination when you combine weightlifting with another American maxim: “more is better.” We think we have to work the hardest to be the best. That’s the American dream after all. This is often formulated in the statement “all things being equal, the stronger thrower will throw farther.” This question is ludicrous because it ignores that strength comes with sacrifices. One sacrifice can be feeling. It is rarely the case that “all things remain equal” and many times a hammer thrower can have less feeling for the implement when they are stronger. I don’t think it is a coincidence that some of the strongest hammer throwers in American history have also had some of the worst technique. Another sacrifice is lost time. What would happen if you spent 100 hours on technique instead of the bench press? All things being equal, I bet the thrower focusing on technique would be better even if they have less pain to show for it.

I understand why coaches do not want to try programs that focus more on technique and throwing. Lifting is a tradition. It is engrained in the U.S. throwing culture. If you stick with tradition and it fails, then it is hard to be blamed. But if you try something new and it fails, there is a large risk. It’s easy to explain to a kid why they are not throwing far when their legs are sore. After all, you can point to their new squat best as a sign of improvement. But it can be difficult to have your athlete buy into your program when they throw poorly, yet have not lifted heavy for weeks. The biggest mental test during my career is to get through those down periods without succumbing to my Rocky IV instinct.

But in the end, culture does not prevent us from trying non-mainstream ideas. Many of the top American coaches focus on the basics of technique and throwing. But the fact that they are a minority shows that there is a big hurdle stopping the vast majority of coaches from trying new things in the hammer throw.

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5 Responses to “Ask Martin Vol. 13: Rocky IV and the Hammer Throw”

  1. Dave Ratcliffe says:

    Hi Martin

    My daughter is 17.

    Last season she trained once a day for a maximum of an hour – 6 days a week.

    She threw 4 times week and did weights twice a week.

    In competition, she has thrown over 60m ten times with a best throw of 62.28m

    Need I say any more.

    Kind regards

    Dave

  2. Jeff says:

    I left high school throwing the 12lb hammer 50m and in college I don’t think I ever threw pass 45m. Although, I squatted 500, benched 350 and cleaned over 250 none of my throws improved. College is when I really realized that lifting can help but being the strongest thrower doesn’t mean you’ll throw the farthest.

  3. Zach says:

    Rocky would have made a terrible hammer thrower …

  4. Coach Pascone says:

    There is much to be said for the “overpower” mentality that pervades the world of athletics, some points esoteric and some rather concrete, but the biggest problem is, without fail, special strength. Yes, there’s Bondarchuk’s tremendously valuable input on the issue, but most coaches also fail to consider what else might be “special” and involve strength. Kundalini Kiryas quickly come to mind, as well as Kettlebells, Indian Clubs, the Hussefelt stone and 2″ diameter rope exercises. These are all part of creating well balanced athletes. To me, it’s not worth discussing strength training for hammer unless the other coach can recognize the names Bondarchuk, Poliquin, Tsatsouline and Simmons.

    Sure, if a population of over 350 million drives everyone to get big and strong, you’re going to have success in big and strong events. One of the best quotes I ever heard about training for the UFC was: “Strength can overcome a lot of technical deficits.” In an athletic event like UFC you can be finished off in seconds. Hammer finishes in seconds. Strength is clearly part of the equation for superiority in both. But hammer isn’t a smash you in the face kind of event. It is a delicate balance of grace and fury, a give and a take, that, like life, slowly improves when vast resources are not erroneously dedicated in a single area. The best of the best in my neck of the woods have long understood the paradox of hammer, but even that information hasn’t dislodged years of entrenched beliefs and cultural dogma.

    If you want to blow the average person’s mind, put on a pair of Vibram Fiver Fingers. If you want to blow a coach’s mind, suggest that the way he does things is wrong.

  5. Jeff says:

    While I definately agree technique is the most important aspect of training and worrying too much about maximum strength can hinder long term success, trying to get kids stronger and more explosive is pretty important in some instances. A lot of American throws coaches are in a similar situation as me. I definately care about the long term success of American hammer throwing on the international stage, but I am a Division III coach that asks athletes to throw at least one other event if not two or three others for the sake of the team. A lot of the athletes I work with were 2 or 3 sport athletes in High School and there initial general strength levels don’t allow them to get into a lot of the fundamental positions that they need to get into. At this point in my career, my job is to score points at our conference meet and hopefully develop a few DIII All-Americans each year. In most instances, I’m not trying to get kids to reach their ultimate potential because that usually doesn’t happen at age 21 or 22. I have 4 years with them and then they will moving on from the throwing and into their chosen careers. There is no question that good technique is the most important aspect of any throwing event, but I feel like the time we spend in the weight (shortcut or not)is also pretty important for success.

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